Episode 37: Curiosity Cures Conflict with Corey Nathan

How do we enter into dialogue across differences, especially in a world where we are actively discouraged to do so by the powers that be? That question is not only at the heart of Corey Nathan’s work on his podcast Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other, but also a principle we put into practice during this episode. Corey and your folking hosts come from different (at times, vastly different) perspectives but we navigate thorny subjects such as religion, democracy, and cancel culture without losing our shared goal of unfucking the world – or our senses of humor. This episode is praxis-y af, y’all! Afterwards, Joy and Sarah dive further into the ideas of dialogue, curiosity, and building shared spaces in our “this AND that” reality.

We would like to wish our What the Folk fam a safe and, hopefully, joyous New Year. Or at least a year where the silver linings stay in view. Onwards to 2022!

Featured music is “It’s All Right to Not Be Okay” and “Brains in Meat Suits” by Joy Damiani.

Talkin’ Politics & Religion Without Killin’ Each Other
@TPandRPod on all the socials

Episode 36: Oh Holy F–k – a Holiday Duo Spectacular

Happy holidays What the Folk Fam! Our gift to you – not sure you asked for it, but you shall receive – is a whole hour of Sarah and Joy’s stoney shenanigans! Joy has a new single and accompanying video, “It’s All Right to Not Be Okay,” dropping on December 21st. We dive into the therapeutic and combat-sport inspirations for the song and vid, as well as the challenges of trying to get your work noticed as an independent solo artist in the algorithm wilderness. This mini-interview is sandwiched with talk of Assange, abortion rights, creating utopia, and Sarah’s rather embarrassing amount of basic Matrix references. Wishing a safe and cozy holiday season to all, whatever you may or may not be celebrating.

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Featured music by Joy Damiani:
“Please Don’t F With Me (This Xmas)”:

“(No Such Thing As) Bad Words”:

Episode 35: Freedom in the Flow with Samantha Hart

The power of vulnerability and going with the flow are at the top of the conversation menu with guest Samantha Hart, author of a new memoir, Blind Pony: As True A Story As I Can Tell, about her unconventional journey from traumatized teenage runaway to creative force in the Hollywood music and film industry. Sam shares her thoughts on independent marketing, self-publishing, and disrupting the book industry, and Joy and Sarah follow up with a healthy discussion about intuition, the 100th Monkey, and whether life is a paradox, or we are just high. Listen to the end for a sneak peek of Joy’s new single!

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FEATURED MUSIC: “It’s All Right (To Not Be Okay)” by Joy Damiani

Episode 34: Conscience over Contract with Rosa del Duca

As part of our extended Veteran’s Day of Our Discontent celebration (er, we’ll call it that, sure), Joy sits down with fellow writer, musician, and veteran Rosa del Duca to discuss the various strategies they have both undertaken to unfuck their minds from the Army’s fuckery. As a conscientious objector, Rosa’s journey through the star-spangled unlearning is an especially enlightening and inspiring one. Stay tuned after the convo to discover the reason for Sarah’s mysterious absence, hear the gals try some “light banter” (goes about as well as you’d expect), and come up with a million-dollar Kickstarter idea. Well, technically, Frank Herbert came up with the actual idea in Dune but we came up with the idea to crowdfund it — and, no, it’s not the spice melange. But, if anyone has the spice hookup, hit us up.

Featured songs are: “Orion,” “Painting the Roses Red,” and “White Lies” by Hunters, courtesy of the artist. 

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Episode 33: Beyond Surviving with Jenny Pacanowksi

This episode features the incredible, and incredibly real, Jenny Pacanowski, founder/director of Women Veterans Empowered and Thriving, in a conversation that explores moving beyond organizations that serve as trauma-swaps, the challenge of incorporating ritual into collective spaces, and much more. After singing the praises of Jenny’s ever-evolving, holistic approach to community-building, Joy and Sarah discuss art as a container for complex reality, the facade of “apolitical” organizations, and preferable ways to acknowledge vets on Veterans Day — featuring appearances by some basic Howard Zinn quotes and, as per usual, weird accents.

Featured poetry is “Combat Dick” by Jenny Pacanowski. Featured music is “Try Not to Be a Dick” and “Smoke Break” by Joy Damiani (released under Emily Yates).


Women Veterans Empowered and Thriving
Jenny Warrior Poet

Episode 32: Gratitude in Action with Lola Jean Darling

a smiling woman with long dark hair and cat-eye glasses sits in a chair holding a guitar

The fabulous Lola Jean Darling returns for the latest episode of What The Folk! We go on a journey through the NOLA mutual aid response post-Hurricane Ida, discuss why adaptability is better than planning, consider how to turn anxiety into art — and even find time to throw some casual side-eye at René Descartes. Extra laughs and extra realness abound in this one. Afterward, Sarah and Joy dive into their shared fed-up-ness with the vaccine discourse and their shared loathing of comic sans font, while wrestling with various issues of human nuance. If you stay till the end, you will be rewarded with some questionable Canadian accents too!

Insta: @lolajeandoesart
Bandcamp: lolajeandarling.bandcamp.com

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FEATURED MUSIC: “Waves” and “The Years” by Lola Jean Darling, courtesy of the artist

Episode 31: Tell Your Own Adventure with Marty Otañez

For this joint, we’re joined by anthropologist and filmmaker Marty Otañez to dive into under-discussed labor issues in cannabis, using digital storytelling to disrupt academia, and how anthropology can inform public policy. There’s a lot of hope in this episode, as well as lots of drug discourse, which is truly our favorite type of discourse. Afterward, Joy and Sarah discuss the shouldn’t-be-that-surprising revelations about Facebook, ponder whether algorithms have sentience yet, and generally do an awesome job navigating the English language.

Twitter @otanezm




The Women of Weed

Breaking the Grass Ceiling: Women, Weed & Business

FEATURED MUSIC: “In a Major Key” by Joy Damiani (released under Emily Yates)

Episode 30: Unlearning Patriarchy with Crash Barbosa

We’re baaaaack! Our couple weeks off turned into three months but what is time during the apocalypse anyway? For our triumphant return to your earholes we are joined by Crash Barbosa, a recording artist and activist based out of L.A. We dive into his horrifying, politically motivated arrest story, mental health activism, unlearning systematic oppression from the inside, and why you should always call authority figures by their first names. Afterward, Joy and Sarah discuss their respective breaks, look back at 9/11 and Occupy Wall Street, and pay tribute to Norm Macdonald by discussing the right-on class politics of “Dirty Work.” Note to self: you won’t want to miss this episode!

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FEATURED MUSIC: “Activism” and “Solidarity” by Crash Barbosa

Episode 29: Relearning Joy with carla bergman

carla bergman, co-author, with Nick Montgomery, of Joyful Militancy, joins us for this episode. We dive into the writing process of this inspiring, must-read book, as well as how we resist our own radically rigid tendencies, why joy and melancholy often skip hand-in-hand, and why we should let the youth lead us. We hope you leave this convo with a full cup since we certainly did! Afterward, Joy and Sarah talk about revolution as a way of being and how to break out of our self-imposed cages.

We’re taking a vacation break but will be back with more Folkery in July! Thanks for putting up with all our puns and made-up words for a whole year (wow!!), we love you!


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FEATURED MUSIC: “I’ve Always Loved the Monsters” by Time, Maudlin Magpie & A Thousand Vows, and “Love Yourself” by Joy Damiani (released under Emily Yates), courtesy of the artists.

Episode 28: Pleasure Is Medicine with Dr. Ingrid Walker

Why do all the research and rhetoric around drug use focus on the small percentage of problematic users, leaving the vast majority of drug users out of the conversation? Why are we so shitty at talking about pleasure in America? Why don’t more people take their cats camping? Dr. Ingrid Walker is here to help us tackle these questions, as we explore drugs, pleasure, trauma, menopause, and bad portrayals of getting high in popular culture. After the interview, Joy and Sarah talk about sex for a hot minute.

Note: We would like to apologize to rock n roll for its exclusion from this episode.


Ingrid’s Ted Talk

High: Drugs, Desire, and a Nation of Users

FEATURED MUSIC: “Dreaming Awake” and “The Waking World” by Lola Darling, and “miseraine” by Lauren Flynn, courtesy of the artists.